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It sounds crazy but I am brainwashing myself to believe that I can 'roll it as I call it' because I roll it so much.
Is there a strategy to optimize my winnings to use the '7' to my advantage?
Let's put aside avoiding the seven and making points
I'm willing to risk up to $2500 wager on a good optimized systematic way to 'Roll for the 7'
1) Some say I should wager $2000/lay on the 4 and then shoot the dice to make the '7'
2) Other say to just bet 'any seven'
3) Many say bet 1k on don't pass with max odds (I've tested this on a smaller scale but 'NO GO' not working)
Any suggestions greatly appreciated and I will take care of those who provide me with the best answer.
6-1, 5-2, 4-3 - bet $X on each and roll away.
At just $20 each it's $60/roll. A hit pays $300.
If you can manage any seven in five rolls you're breaking even. Anything better than that is a profit of at least $300 every five rolls.
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Ok, I'm going to fall for this....If you are looking to just win as much as you can then betting high on the highest payouts on the comeout would be the sensical thing to do, so TT is right but the variance will kill you and obviously so will the HE. Betting the 'Any7' which pays 4 to 1 will also kill you eventually because the HE is 16.67%.
Laying the 4 or 10 will be a 2.44% HE. I know how much you like hedging so then go ahead and have some on the hard 4 or 10 at 11.11% HE.
So, to sum up: Best hit and win option = Hopping 7's
Best longevity option = Laying the 4 or 10
Disclaimer: All these options are silly and should not be attempted. Stick to DC with full odds but I understand this doesn't fit in to your 'I can roll 7's whenever I like theory'
Bet the hops.
6-1, 5-2, 4-3 - bet $X on each and roll away.
At just $20 each it's $60/roll. A hit pays $300.
If you can manage any seven in five rolls you're breaking even.
Anything better than that is a profit of at least $300 every five rolls.
Definitely gonna give them a try when I visit the casino.
1:5 rolls sounds very do'able when rolling for a '7'
Ok, I'm going to fall for this....
If you are looking to just win as much as you can then betting high on the highest payouts on the comeout would be the sensical thing to do, so TT is right but the variance will kill you and obviously so will the HE. Betting the 'Any7' which pays 4 to 1 will also kill you eventually because the HE is 16.67%.
Laying the 4 or 10 will be a 2.44% HE. I know how much you like hedging so then go ahead and have some on the hard 4 or 10 at 11.11% HE.
So, to sum up: Best hit and win option = Hopping 7's
Best longevity option = Laying the 4 or 10
Disclaimer: All these options are silly and should not be attempted. Stick to DC with full odds but I understand this doesn't fit in to your 'I can roll 7's whenever I like theory'
I've been playing the pass line and don't passline w/odds on the don't but it's to close to 50/50 and also the DC w/odds if it goes to the 4/5/10 I have a super good chance of winning that bet when trying for a 7.
Problem is with that dice set, quite a few 6/8/9's come out of it and need to either call 'no action on the dc or just let the dc goto the number and I place it to cover it. (even this wager is to slow for wanting to risk $2500)
I appreciate these replies.
Free slot machine game cop the lot. 1 in 6 should be a breeze.
I'm 'hopping' to do ok with the 1:5 to 7 strategy playing the hopping 7's.
I want to try this approach because the 10 number average numbers rolled before 7 is not profitable. (maybe I'm betting wrong)
Betting the hard 6's/8's tonight took it's toll on me, I hit quite a few of them but lost every parley.
I also made out good betting the 6/8 place bets but not as profitable as expected.
This is why I'm checking out a new angle with the '7'.
Bet the hops.
6-1, 5-2, 4-3 - bet $X on each and roll away.
At just $20 each it's $60/roll. A hit pays $300.
If you can manage any seven in five rolls you're breaking even.
not even, no close.you need to check your math
he will have a 1/15 house edge each and every roll and over 3 bets each roll that is a +EV of $4 per roll or $400 per hour/100 rolls
get a syndicate together once you show someone with cash what you can do and start making $300 3way seven bets for $2000 per hour EV.
you need a 1 in 5 to do this
a 1 in 5.5 average will be a loser
a 1 in 5.3 will bring in 40 cents per roll. $40 per hour might pay your expenses.
stay close to the 5.0 and retire next year
Anything better than that is a profit of at least $300 every five rolls.
no need to be better than 1 in 5unless it could be done
he nets $260 on a win and a loss of $240 the other 4 rolls for a net of $20 per 5 rolls. ($4 per roll)
just start making bigger bets with your edge as your bankroll grows
This is a no-brainer
just roll 7s at a 1 in 5 ratio
min pass and make sure both dice hit the back wall
spin to win
Sally
The more accurate way, in my opinion, is to figure out the distribution of numbers rolled when trying to roll a 7. That being said, best case scenario, I think, is if you can roll the dice in a way so you are more likely to hit 2,3,11,or 12 if you are not hitting 7's. Reason being, if you roll a 7 on the come-out roll (which is what you're aiming for) you win whatever your bet is, whether it's a lay or a 3-way 7 hop, and you keep the dice. If you hit a 2,3,11,12 on the come out roll, you are still on the come-out roll. If you roll a 4,5,6,8,9,10 on the come-out roll, that becomes your point (duh), and when the 7 is rolled that you're hoping for, you are no longer shooting the dice. You want to shoot the 7's during the come out roll so you can continue shooting 7's, as opposed to shooting a 7 as to 'seven out' and pass the dice.
yes, best play. every roll. fun to watch
not even, no close.
you need to check your math
he will have a 1/15 house edge each and every roll and over 3 bets each roll that is a +EV of $4 per roll or $400 per hour/100 rolls
get a syndicate together once you show someone with cash what you can do and start making $300 3way seven bets for $2000 per hour EV.
you need a 1 in 5 to do this
a 1 in 5.5 average will be a loser
a 1 in 5.3 will bring in 40 cents per roll. $40 per hour might pay your expenses.
stay close to the 5.0 and retire next year
no need to be better than 1 in 5
unless it could be done
he nets $260 on a win and a loss of $240 the other 4 rolls for a net of $20 per 5 rolls. ($4 per roll)
just start making bigger bets with your edge as your bankroll grows
This is a no-brainer
just roll 7s at a 1 in 5 ratio
min pass and make sure both dice hit the back wall
spin to win
Sally
Damn!, If you're ever in Buffalo NY, I want you to manage my bank roll while I roll them bones. You are amazing with your math skills.
| Born | 22 May 1961 (age 58) Hobart, Australia |
|---|---|
| Other names | John Wilson |
| Occupation | Businessman; Professional gambler |
| Net worth | A$600 million (AFR2019)[1] |
Zeljko Ranogajec (born 22 May 1961)[2] is a businessman and professional gambler from Australia. He is known for horse betting, blackjack and other forms of advantage gambling.
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- 2Australian gambling career
- 2.4Rebate controversy
- 2.5The 'Punters Club' Syndicate
Early life[edit]
Ranogajec was born in Hobart, Australia, in a family of Croatian immigrants.[3] He was a Commerce and Law student of the University of Tasmania, studying tax, finance and banking, when he began card counting in Blackjack at the Wrest Point Casino.[4] While there, Ranogajec met his future wife and business partner, Shelley Wilson, who was a full-time employee.[4] He subsequently relocated to New South Wales where he transferred his studies to the University of NSW in Sydney from which he eventually dropped out of to concentrate fully on advantage gambling.
Australian gambling career[edit]
Blackjack[edit]
According to professional blackjack players,[5] Ranogajec was 'one of the most prolific and innovative advantage players of all time'. His starting bankroll was allegedly 'a few hundred dollars', through which he won 'millions'. Ranogajec worked with Alan Woods in the 1980s.[6] Eventually, Ranogajec was banned from most casinos in Australia, starting with Wrest Point, the Jupiters Casino on the Gold Coast, and then, after he moved overseas, in the United States as well.[4] Ranogajec, by that time, was already moving to other areas of advantage play, in any area of gambling where an advantage could be identified.
In 2011, Ranogajec was inducted into the Blackjack Hall of Fame.[5]
Keno[edit]
In 1994, Ranogajec reportedly won a $7.5 million Keno jackpot at the leisure and entertainment complex North Ryde RSL Club, of New South Wales, after reportedly[7] betting 'significantly more than $7.5 million' to win it but coming out ahead due to the additional, smaller prizes awarded along the way to the jackpot.
Horse racing[edit]
Ranogajec, according to insider accounts,[7] deployed, for his betting activities on horse races, a strategy combined of specific factors: identifying betting opportunities with as high liquidity as possible, meaning betting pools with significant money being bet by the regular gambling public; deploying a 'highly sophisticated betting system'; identifying small margins, on which he bets significant amounts of money; and, importantly, closing deals with bookmakers, including industry leader TabCorp, for significant rebates on his bets. The latter has created controversy in the horse betting world, with many punters complaining about the alleged deal.[8] A TabCorp spokesman stated, in response to the media reports, that the corporation 'investigated the incidents' and found 'no evidence of illegal activity', but reminded the betting public that 'the offering of tote-odds betting products by corporate bookmakers has inherent risks of pool manipulation [by large bettors].'[8]
Ranogajec reportedly accounts for 6–8% of Australian bookmaker TabCorp's $10 billion annual revenue.[9] His betting on Betfair is believed to account for one third of the company's Australian operations.[10]
Ranogajec has gradually organised an extensive network of spotters, analysts, bettors and administrators, directing activities from office space he is allegedly occupying in the Fox Sports building at 235 Pyrmont Street,[11] in Sydney's inner suburb of Pyrmont.[12] It is known that he contracts many companies to provide information and does not employ anyone directly. However indirectly due to his information requirements, to gain the edge, he provides employment to over 300 people in Australia.[10][13]
Rebate controversy[edit]
Ranogajec's success has been revealed to be based upon favorable discounts and rebates that he has negotiated with betting pool operators. In 2011 it was reported that the commercial failure of Tote Tasmania was partly due to the large rebates that Ranogajec had received on his betting turnover.[14] Subsequently, the business was purchased by Tatts Group. According to Ranogajec's own testimony in a court case involving a former bookmaking associate, the plan was: “You bet to lose, so that you actually turn over more money and the win comes from the rebates … If you bet $100 and lost $5, but you get a 10 per cent rebate, you still make 5 per cent.” Ranogajec estimated he'd earned about $52m over a three-and-a-half-year period betting on US races, but just 15% of that sum came from picking winning horses.[15]
Downfall of Tote Tasmania[edit]
In 2012 Ranogajec was named as being the leader of a gambling syndicate which had profited from a rebate arrangement with Tote Tasmania Pty Ltd which was a Tasmanian state-owned company. The profits paid to Ranogajec and his partners virtually wiped out the profits of the Tote Tasmania Pty Ltd, to the extent that Treasurer of Tasmania was reduced to selling off the entire business to Tabcorp Holdings.[14]
The 'Punters Club' Syndicate[edit]
Ranogajec headed a group known as the Punters Club, consisting largely of math-inclined gambling geeks, reportedly including high-stakes poker player David Steicke. The Club is believed to have contributed over $1b annually to Aussie TAB outfits’ turnover but generated significant controversy in 2011 when it was reported that Tote Tasmania was offering lucrative rebates to such whales while slashing odds on rank-and-file punters to balance the books.[15]
Tax audit controversy[edit]
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The Australian Taxation Office (ATO) has looked at his activities on numerous occasions over the last 25 years and on each occasion has concluded his activities did not constitute a business. Due to the level of his success, the ATO had decided to probe again in 2008. The ATO's current position is that betting and gambling wins are not assessable unless you are carrying on a business of betting or gambling and is contained in published rulings[16] for gambling syndicates in Australia. His business partner David Walsh believes that he does not owe them money as gambling on horse racing has never been a taxable source of income in Australia.[10] Tax experts following this case have said if the ATO has now changed its position on horse racing gambling, taxing retrospective wins is unjust and imminent for a high court challenge and could potentially open up a can of worms for every Australian who has won on horse racing in the past.[10]
After months of debt claims by the ATO, a settlement was agreed with Zeljko and other members of the punter's club, late October 2012. After a court-ordered mediation session between parties.[17] The ATO deal remains confidential but it understood to relate to the years 2004–2011 only.[18]
Gaming career since leaving Australia[edit]
Since leaving Australia, Ranogajec is now[when?] based in Europe, mostly UK and the Isle of Man. He is a consultant to Newfield Limited,[19] which describes itself as an international racing and sports event company.[20]
In the United Kingdom, Ranogajec is a co-founder of Colossusbets Limited[2] along with Bernard Marantelli.[citation needed] Colossus Bets had announced a new venture partnership with the consortium Britbet comprising 55 British racecourses to operate horse betting racing pools and become a 'major competitor in Tote service'.[21] On 12 June 2018 it was announced that the Britbet project with Colossusbets as a partner, had been terminated.[22]
Personal life[edit]
By most accounts, Ranogajec is secretive and does not give interviews.[4] According to some reports, there could be some intentional confusion as to his real name, whereby he'd be using his wife's surname, registering as John Wilson for investment or gambling endeavours.[4]
In 2019 The Australian Financial Review assessed his net worth at A$600 million as published in the Financial Review Rich List 2019.[1] A reporter claims that he was able to contact a relative of Ranogajec from his father's side, who asked not to be named, and who told him that Ranogajec is a 'multi-billionaire'.[7] The reporter met Ranogajec in person, while the latter was in Mosman, and asked him if he was indeed the world's biggest punter. Ranogajec replied 'I believe that's absolutely untrue' and assured the reporter that all the talk about the magnitude of his betting and wealth is 'all just a big exaggeration'.[7]
See also[edit]
References[edit]
- ^ abBailey, Michael (30 May 2019). 'Australia's 200 richest people revealed'. The Australian Financial Review. Nine Publishing. Retrieved 31 May 2019.
- ^ abMcClymont, Kate (17 May 2018). 'Meet the Joker: the Australian who is the biggest gambler in the world'. The Sydney Morning Herald. Retrieved 21 May 2018.
- ^'Australian Croat Betting Billions Annually', Slobodna Dalmacija, 3 November 2004 (in Croatian)
- ^ abcde'You can bet on The Joker', Herald Sun, Australia, 13 February 2010
- ^ ab'2011 Blackjack Ball'Blackjack Insider
- ^Arrold, Tony (1 February 2008). 'Gambler more than broke even'. The Australian. Retrieved 7 March 2018.
- ^ abcd'The world's biggest punter is Zeljko Ranogajec, and he's an Australian', The Daily Telegraph, Australia, 13 February 2010
- ^ ab'High-flying punter on kickback', Herald Sun, 20 May 2011
- ^“Zeljko Ranogajec is named as the World’s Biggest Gambler”Casino Promo, 2 December 2010
- ^ abcd'Taxman targets the king of punters'/ The Australian, Australia, 24 December 2011
- ^Contact information, Fox Sports Australia
- ^'Zeljko Ranogajec believed to be Australia's biggest punter', Courier Mail, 13 February 2010
- ^Delvecchio, Jerry. 'Zeljko Ranogajec, The worlds (sic) biggest sports bettor! – The Worlds (sic) Greatest Gamblers'. worlds-greatest-gamblers.com. Retrieved 14 September 2015.
- ^ abLAKIN, AARON (18 February 2012). 'Tote accused of giving away profits'. The Examiner.
- ^ abStradebrooke, Steven (18 May 2012). 'Australian betting whale's move abroad to cost race bookies millions'. calvinayre.com. Retrieved 2 October 2019.
- ^Private Rulings ATO Private Rulings example
- ^'Punters club cuts a deal with ATO'/ The Financial Review, Australia, 20 October 2012
- ^'On Punters club, Tax Office backs $1.8bn loser'/ The Financial Review, Australia, 27 October 2012
- ^'Welcome to Newfield'. www.newfield.co.im.
- ^Writer, Mark Souster, Racing (17 May 2018). 'Revealed: 'world's biggest gambler' is partner to new racecourse betting firm Britbet' – via www.thetimes.co.uk.
- ^'Aussie is world's biggest gambler'. news.com.au. 17 May 2018. Retrieved 1 June 2018.
- ^Barber (12 June 2018). 'New pool-betting project Britbet on hold as talks continue with the Tote'. Racing Post. Retrieved 20 June 2018.
External links[edit]
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- Zelko Zelko Ranogajec Article